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The Gladys Method: How Black Women Leaders Navigate and Dismantle Institutional Barriers

(Conversations with Chanda – Episode 163 – 1 hr 24 min, March 18, 2025)


Dr. Sherece Y. West‑Scantlebury, President of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation, joins Chanda Smith Baker in a raw, unfiltered conversation that exposes the hidden power dynamics of philanthropy. Inspired by the legendary Gladys Washington—known for her unapologetic leadership, mentorship, and radical love, this episode serves as a masterclass in resilience, strategic resistance, and transformative leadership. You'll learn how Black women leaders can:

  • Turn institutional barriers into strategic opportunities

  • Influence power structures from within

  • Practice authentic allyship beyond performative gestures

  • Navigate institutional change with patience and persistent vision


Click to listen and discover the blueprint for systemic transformation in leadership, crafted by those who've fought and won the battles most don’t see.


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